recently read an article about somebody switching their Project Salvo to HPA wich is something i have wanted to do. after reading the article i did some researchand found several sources that said the same things, but here are some points i found interesting.

3,000 p.s.i. 4,500 p.s.i
68c.i. tanks get about 680 shots 68c.i. tanks get about 1020
88c.i.-880 88c.i.-1320
(10 shots for c.i.) (15 shots for c.i.)

hpa operates at any temperature (enviroment is key for me considering i like to play year round)

shots were supposedly more consistent in their f.p.s (also key)

most tanks have unlimited life span (except in the case of fiber wrapped wich have 15 yrs.)

so far the only cons i have found is the starting cost for hpa considering that the tanks get pretty expensive.(also taking into consideration that it would be free to fill)

but here is the point i am bringing to the table for you to fill in any blanks.
besides a tank what needs are there to switch a salvo to work correctly and efficiently with hpa? are there better regs to use(keep in mind i play once a month or so if im lucky) should i go steel or Al. and refilling is it easy with a compressor if you have the right one and if so what is the "right" one?

all help suggestions and comments are appreciated

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You don't have to do anything to make your salvo work correctly on compressed air. Just plug in the tank and go. There isn't much you can do to make a Tippmann more efficient, besides underboring. If you really want to get into efficiency, you have to look at things like spring balancing and such; and unfortunately, no one makes a drive spring light enough to really perfect the air usage.

When you ask about 'better regs', I'm going to assume that you're refering to tank regs. When it comes to tank regs, Ninja is the only way to go. Punkworks did a side-to-side comparison with several tank regs, and Ninja was by far the best. You can see said test here.

Steel tanks don't really exist anymore (at least not new). They're all aluminum these days. But if you're asking whether you should go aluminum vs fiber wrapped, that really depends on your budget and your needs. Personally, I don't need anything more than a 48/30, because my guns are all efficient enough to get me thru the day on one fill. On a Tippmann, I'd say you'd get ~500 shots out of a 48/30.

As far as filling goes, it's really easy if you have the right equipment. But I garuntee you don't have it. Shop compressors don't go about 100 PSI, if that. You need to get up to 3000. The only way to fill tanks yourself (short of getting a job at a paintball store) is to get a scuba tank. There's a special adapter you can get to fill straight off of them. It's pretty expensive; scubas run ~$250, and the adapter is $50. You could probably rent them for ~$15 though. Unless you're playing outlaw, your field should be able to fill them. Usually entry comes with all day air.

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Great explanation!!


fill the air tank, put in on and go have fun

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Air compressers for filling up to 3,000psi are very expensive. Used is going to about $2,000. An hpa tank runs about $150 for alummanum and weighs less then co2 tanks. Take a look on graigs list. I picked up 2 alum scuba tanks with fill station for $100 each and a $68/4500 & 88/4500 (carbon fibbers) for $100 each. If you love to hide and snipe its great cause you don't have the "snow effect" to give your location away. The pros and cons on scubas is that you have to get them visually inspected every year. And 1tank aint going to last long most players (like myself) have 2 3000 & 1 4500 scubas and work them on a cascading system. The best for a once a week player is to pick up an hpa tank and have it filled at the field or proshop. Best of luck.

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Since you only play once a month if you are lucky it really depends on where you mostly play at. If you mostly play outlaw at someone's 40 acre farm then you are better off spending the money on a Palmer's Stabilizer kit for the 98 Custom. If you play at a commercially ran field that fills HPA tanks then go that route. For a once a month player you can get a 48/3k tank and be fine. Just keep in mind you will have to fill up a lot more often than you would with a 20 oz CO2 tank. You could look into a 68/45 and be able to play a lot longer without having to fill up.

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wow this is alot to take in not that i dont appreciate it its just i really think hpa is the best way to go i just need to find where to get filled really easily lol but all is not lost for this low budget outlaw player where there is a will there is a way

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Just trying to let you know the financial side of things. Its a lot that I've had to learn on my own(the hard way) because I wasn't aware these types of forums exsisted. But after 5 years and close to $5,000 spent on just markers, airtanks,masks,hoppers, pod packs, co2 tanks, pants, and jerseys(that don't include all the paint). I'm just trying to save you some hard earned cash, and time.

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The main issue with using HPA for outlaw is that it does not last as long as a similar sized CO2 tank. Even if you live close to a field you will still want to have a way to fill or HPA tank or have multiple tanks to switch out during the day.

Here is an example:

I live about 10 min away from my home field. Last year I was going to host a game at my house to celebrate my wedding. I have two HPA tanks (114/3k and 92/45) and five CO2 tanks ( two 9oz, one 12oz, two 20oz). My wife and I were going to use my stock of tanks and I had made arrangements to borrow the scuba tank from the field. I did the math and even though I live 10 min from the field it would still take a half hour to get filled tanks back to my property. The plan was to top off everyone using HPA with the scuba and when that got low head over to the field and refill the scuba instead of cutting into game time with everyone's tanks needing to be filled halfway through the day. (We got a massive amount of rain the day after the wedding and I canceled the game. The drainage ditch at the front of the property was starting to look like a large creek or small river. On top of that there was no place for people to park their cars in my yard because the ground was so wet.)

I don't mean to discourage you, but just take a look at all your options. If you find the cost of switching to HPA to be too high and you still want the consistency of HPA take a look at the Palmer's Stabilizer. For $110 plus shipping you can get a the Model 98 Female Stabilizer kit. It will take the place of the ASA and will regulate the CO2 going into the marker. You will still get consistent velocities gained from HPA and you still get the shot per fill capacity of using a CO2 tank. Also in all but the most extreme cold weather you can still use CO2 effectively as long as you don't have rather itchy trigger finger.

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many thanks dark shadow i see now for my outlaw use hpa may not be the way to go but i do have a team in the makings and once we start putting in the time on a regular field we may try to switch then. until then i guess i can deal with the good old c02

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NIghtmare I agree with you, I want to go HPA too but the nearest place for me to fill is 60 miles away, CO2 I can fill about a mile away from my house. Someday I may make the switch.

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