I just added a cyclone to my 98 and now the response trigger isnt working properly. I checked everything and it seems to be all put back together properly so any suggestions why this is happening, thanks in advance

The cyclone is taking some of the excess air needed to run the R/T. First try turning up your velocity screw. If that doesnt work, then try a stronger spring to allow more air to escape the valve. If all that fails the try using a 1/8 th inch r/t and cyclone hose setup. I did all this and ended up using a Halo hopper with an aluminum feedneck for added strength. This way my R/T still shoots 17 bps. Good Luck in advance...

Its just not getting enough air. Adjust the RT first, Then play with your velocity screw, Stronger spring, 1/8th hoses. If that doesnt work I dont know what to tell you

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Back to my theory that the fastest working response triggers are not set up with a cyclone hopper stealing air... go HALO!

Not all true...my R/T shoots quick if i use the screw on the R/T to adjust it to my need..The cyclone shouldnt take that much air away from the R/T to make it not run

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I'm getting the 1/8th hoses to see how that works out

setting up a cyclone and a rt is a royal PITA...

stronger spring--> lower your velocity to field legal limits--> adjust RT

that SHOULD solve your problem

instead of putting a stronger spring in, you could also try putting a metal BB behind the spring to add more tension

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I've got the same issue with my 98. Cyclone and R/T. I've had this setup for six years and it has never worked right. At most I can get maybe a 3 -5 shot volley out of the R/T. I just sumed it up to the R/T is just a big fancy word for crappy trigger. I even installed the expansion chamber (even though I run HPA) thinking that would give me a bigger resivoir to pull air from. Didn't fix anything. Maybe a stronger spring, or bigger hoses. I've never bothered to try either. I just moved on to a different marker.

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Bear with me as I try to explain this, it may help. I wish Model98.Org didn't go down because I had pics and such up there...

Anyway, the airfittings have screws inside of them called "banjos". These banjos have an air passage leading up the shaft and it splits near the top in a T like fashion. If you remove the banjo from the housing and look at you you'll see what I'm talking about.

Now, the way that one of these holes lines up in relation to the hose attached to the fitting is very important. If the hole is directly in line with the hose, I call it fitting "fully open". At the same time, if the hole is facing 90 degrees away from the hose it is what I call "fully closed". Air will still flow through a fully closed fitting, but it will struggle when compared to a fully open one.

How to tell where this hole is when inside the fitting is simple, the top of the banjo has a slot for a flathead screwdriver. This slot either runs directly in line with your holes, or it is perpendicular (90degrees) to it. Use this slot as a reference.


Now, when running just a Cyclone I've found the best combo is the fitting on gun "half open" (slot for screwdriver 45 degrees off from the direction of the airline) and the fitting on the cyclone fully open.

When running an R/T it is the opposite. You run fully open on the gun and just adjust the flow controller on the R/T.

For both, it gets tricky. You want high flow for the R/T so you need the fitting on gun to be fully open. However, the Cyclone eats too much air. The only way to restrict it is to run it's fitting half open. If you run it fully closed, the cyclone will have misfeeds, while fully open it will take away effect from your R/T.

Hopefully this will help you get more R/T effect with the cyclone feed. The larger diameter hoses help a lot as well, and if you still don't have the desired effect you will have to do as suggested with a stronger spring. It will wreak havok on your efficiency, though, so if that is important to you I'd recommend dealing with what you've got or eliminating either the cyclone or R/T...

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i run the cyclone and rt on my 98 custom and wouldnt have it any other way i aslo originally had problems with the rt but i adjusted it and went to the low pressure kit for the rt and cyclone running standard pressure and havent had a problem since